tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post292352473008270148..comments2024-02-16T12:16:30.137+08:00Comments on HANTULAUT: Busting The Myth "The Singapore Malays"gram.konghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17668147820217032682noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-76415564754488038662010-08-27T13:03:44.161+08:002010-08-27T13:03:44.161+08:00Eh Anonymous, what FUCKING NONSENSE ARE YOU TALKIN...Eh Anonymous, what FUCKING NONSENSE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???????<br /><br />http://stars.nhb.gov.sg/stars/tmp/lky19650315a.pdf<br /><br />READ PAGE 10 OF THE LINK ABOVE AND JUDGE FOR YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!singaporeannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-90688604954901745462010-07-16T12:47:31.016+08:002010-07-16T12:47:31.016+08:00To Dr Syed Alwi,
Just admit it, it is true that S...To Dr Syed Alwi,<br /><br />Just admit it, it is true that S'porean Malays are structurally left behind by the system.<br /><br />To the Malaysian Malays, just ignore Dr Syed Alwi' s comment.He is one of the few that belong to those "yang baru naik punya".Baru sekarang dapat PhD.Jadi sifat jakun tu kuat.<br /><br />I have talked to the old S'porean Malay families who have Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-40179986145943026342010-03-01T17:19:46.069+08:002010-03-01T17:19:46.069+08:00Actually Bros (Dr Syed Alwi included), its not the...Actually Bros (Dr Syed Alwi included), its not the part where you fellas said that Malays in Malaysia needs crutches to be successful is painful but the part where you generalise all Malays in Malaysia as such that touches a raw nerve. And borrowing Bro HL's "your generalisation that all Malays here need the crutches has no basis". Its especially rich coming from a Singaporean whoseeddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778796377342661967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-16261456302496837522010-03-01T12:01:08.442+08:002010-03-01T12:01:08.442+08:00Eddy,
You are right. Many Malaysian Malays have do...Eddy,<br />You are right. Many Malaysian Malays have done well and are doing well on their own. I long to see most Malays, including those from the rural or urban poor doing well too. <br /><br />Dr Alwi, thanks for you contribution to the other side of the debate. Glad to know how some of you feel. I remember having met a Singapore Malay studying Accountancy in London some thirty years ago, he Y1https://www.blogger.com/profile/18005263623721813319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-74221907964319858982010-02-27T10:35:06.504+08:002010-02-27T10:35:06.504+08:00Dr Syed Alwi,
I agree with you on most counts of ...Dr Syed Alwi,<br /><br />I agree with you on most counts of your last comments HOWEVER, PAS has nothing to do with UMNO. The Malays in Msia only need to vote for DAP, PKR & PAS. UMNO & the BN will be out of power & a "New Economic Model" based on "Need" rather than "Race" based policies will be in place.<br />Most Middle income Malays don't need the SMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-9723067478649914112010-02-26T19:16:32.734+08:002010-02-26T19:16:32.734+08:00Dear People,
On the issue of security and defense...Dear People,<br /><br />On the issue of security and defense in ASEAN - I support LKY's view because - if you look at Malaysian and Indonesian politics - the Chinese are often demonised. No question about that. Singapore therefore has no choice but to make contingency plans just in case an anti-Chinese maniac rises to power in Malaysia or Indonesia. These are unpleasant things to talk about -Dr Syed Alwinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-75626906622680842122010-02-26T17:27:19.849+08:002010-02-26T17:27:19.849+08:00Dr Dr Syed Alwi,
How do you measure success?.Many...Dr Dr Syed Alwi,<br /><br />How do you measure success?.Many people think of fame and fortune as a measure of success.Some even think owning a posh car that cost more than the house they lived in is a measure of success.It's different strokes for different folks.<br /><br />I have no doubt there are many successful Malay Singaporeans and without doubt many Malaysian Malays too.<br /><br />Thegram.konghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668147820217032682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-36492852386465111392010-02-26T16:26:47.060+08:002010-02-26T16:26:47.060+08:00mohamed,
That piece was not written by me.It'...mohamed,<br /><br />That piece was not written by me.It's an extract from the US Army country studies.<br /><br />If you are student of history you would know what was written therein was true.The Malays in Singapore were also migrants many hundred years ago.Most came from Sumatra and Java.gram.konghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668147820217032682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-23146508291100384112010-02-26T13:54:40.258+08:002010-02-26T13:54:40.258+08:00Bro Eddy,
I guess Dr. Syed Alwi touched a "r...Bro Eddy,<br /><br />I guess Dr. Syed Alwi touched a "raw nerve" with you!<br />You did go to great detail to disparage Spore BUT you unfortunately did not answer his question on whether the Msian Malays will survive without the crutches! Yes, you said you don't know...I can answer that question actually...YES the Msian Malays will be able to survive without the crutches (surprised SMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-70275885177022774612010-02-26T10:08:30.264+08:002010-02-26T10:08:30.264+08:00Congratulations Dr Syed Alwi, you are a confident,...Congratulations Dr Syed Alwi, you are a confident, academically qualified Sigaporean.Obviously you are very happy in Lee Kuan Yew's kingdom. I would not argue with a Singapore citizen who loves Lee Kuan Yew and lap up anything he says, if you are happy, everybody is happy Doc.<br /><br />Only one thing lah Dr. Syed as a qualified academician with presumably a Ph.D maybe you should not go eddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778796377342661967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-11350196865497745252010-02-26T02:17:45.882+08:002010-02-26T02:17:45.882+08:00The notion by Robert Ho that folks in S'pore w...The notion by Robert Ho that folks in S'pore will flock to a JB University is flawed in that it assumes that the people in S'pore will simply accept that such a JB University is of an acceptable standard.<br /><br />I think Singaporeans (of whatever ethnic origin) still want value for money !Purple Hazenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-61633115845625441682010-02-26T00:59:38.235+08:002010-02-26T00:59:38.235+08:00Frankly, LKY should be the last person to question...Frankly, LKY should be the last person to question the Malays on their loyalty or their last grain of rice.<br />That's right! Not someone who served the Japanese Imperial army that occupied Singapore, and not least, the British declassified records suggest he was a coward who spoke with fork tongue.<br /><br />The Malays should not get too carried away with pride over the appointment of makan$$pandainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-82144818761976592962010-02-25T19:55:41.168+08:002010-02-25T19:55:41.168+08:00Dear HANTULAUT,
You are so very wrong. I am happy...Dear HANTULAUT,<br /><br />You are so very wrong. I am happy to be a Singaporean Malay who is moderately successful WITHOUT the NEP nor the Ketuanan Melayu. Why is it that you keep harping on the issue of Malays in the SAF ? Even if we have 10 Malay Generals - how will that help the community ? In fact we already have a Malay General. Frankly what LKY says - is true. When Malaysian commandos Dr Syed Alwinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-83940959570043346562010-02-25T19:20:01.119+08:002010-02-25T19:20:01.119+08:00"The Malay made up 15 percent of Singapore..."The Malay made up 15 percent of Singapore's population and were, like the Chinese and the Indians, descendants of immigrants"<br /><br />Wow, singapore malays are decendant of immigrants. This twisting the reality a bit, isn't.<br /><br />If and when the chinese rule Tanah Melayu, we will be catagorised as immigrant too?<br /><br />Dream on you b>5#@*dmohamednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-30949657005626678282010-02-25T18:15:48.971+08:002010-02-25T18:15:48.971+08:001. Wow, interesting information on the min 78% of ...1. Wow, interesting information on the min 78% of Singapore's population Mr Ho. If its true, so the Malaysian Malaysia slogan of the PAP before they were kicked out by Tunku Abdul Rahman is just mere hogwash. No wonder that when Mr Lee became Prime Minister of independent Singapore we don't hear of the slogan Singaporean Singapore.<br /><br />2. (AC), so sad to hear that your's and eddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778796377342661967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-65903541881216837162010-02-25T16:11:37.715+08:002010-02-25T16:11:37.715+08:00RH:
1.Hi! Great post!
2. I dont know if you kno...RH:<br />1.Hi! Great post!<br /><br />2. I dont know if you know that it is official policy of the LIEgime to keep the Chinese at ~78% of the pop; so they import huge numbers of Chinese from PRC, HK, Taiwan, even Indonesia, etc. State scholarships are regularly given to these Chinese so they are captured young while still formative, study here for years to become acclimatised, then when they Robert HO nric S0197974Dhttp://i-came-i-saw-i-solved-it.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-11603600879518112262010-02-25T15:56:29.374+08:002010-02-25T15:56:29.374+08:00HL,
If I'm not mistaken, Spore has a Malay Ge...HL,<br /><br />If I'm not mistaken, Spore has a Malay General in their Armed Forces now (he's alreday been there a year or so).<br />You can be sure the Spore Govt is not going to "spoon-feed" their Malay population as UMNO does in Msia. Most Malays I know in Spore are very happy with the way they are treated & in fact most of them do very well without any "crutches&SMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-82245079458417642722010-02-25T15:38:26.305+08:002010-02-25T15:38:26.305+08:00Sorry HL, my apologies for not reading carefully.
...Sorry HL, my apologies for not reading carefully.<br /><br />I am not so sure that the Malaysian Malays are doing better than the Singapore Malays. Maybe some of the urban and politically connected Malays are, but on the whole the rural Malays are not.<br /><br />Sorry to hear of your third child's untimely demise. May Allah bless his soul. Good to hear that your two others are doing well. <Y1https://www.blogger.com/profile/18005263623721813319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-21954736951536712202010-02-25T14:42:39.385+08:002010-02-25T14:42:39.385+08:00I think the main contrast between the Malays in SG...I think the main contrast between the Malays in SG vs MY, is that the SG Malays stand on their own feet and survives without being spoonfed with wealth siphoned from the other races.<br /><br />Also, another area for comparison will be how much discrimination the SG Malays suffers from as a minority vs how much discrimination minority races in Malaysia suffer from. It is my opinion that Anonymous Craven (AC)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07944108380030457528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-49997870479153115222010-02-25T13:31:02.780+08:002010-02-25T13:31:02.780+08:00Bro Y1 actually there are many present examples wh...Bro Y1 actually there are many present examples where Malays when left on their own can do equally well or excel in their chosen field...some prime example, Just have a look at the Management and staff of Malaysia's Petronas and its group of companies see how much they have expanded overseas and more without political interference. I do agree with Bro HL when he said that the Malays in eddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778796377342661967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-64078508051895968122010-02-25T13:16:02.506+08:002010-02-25T13:16:02.506+08:00Anonymous,
Thanks,not that I don't know the di...Anonymous,<br />Thanks,not that I don't know the difference.Corrected.Thoughtless error.gram.konghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668147820217032682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-86953435255560736092010-02-25T13:11:21.021+08:002010-02-25T13:11:21.021+08:00YI,
You have to read my post carefully.I never sa...YI,<br /><br />You have to read my post carefully.I never said there is discrimination in the education system in S'pore.<br /><br />Read the paragraph below.<br /><br />Zaqy Mohamed question in parliament about the under-performance of Malay students may not be totally the responsibility of the government but it does show that the Malays in Singapore are not exuberantly more successful, gram.konghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668147820217032682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-47526421667666519602010-02-25T11:36:40.340+08:002010-02-25T11:36:40.340+08:00it's 'loyalty' not 'royalty'.it's 'loyalty' not 'royalty'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-10229251662048612552010-02-25T11:26:09.741+08:002010-02-25T11:26:09.741+08:00Profound post Bro, my take is discriminatory pract...Profound post Bro, my take is discriminatory practise for the benefit of the majority be it negative or positive happens everywhere in this world but maybe Singapore PAP Government takes great pain to disguise and facilitate this kind of practise favouring its 75% majority.<br /><br />Here are some interesting read:<br /><br />1. The charade of Meritocracy by Michael Barr:<br />http://eddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14778796377342661967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3957485821352000404.post-75314516457817862682010-02-25T09:45:44.848+08:002010-02-25T09:45:44.848+08:00I am not sure that there is positive discriminatio...I am not sure that there is positive discrimination in education against the Malays in Singapore. In the army maybe but that I think may now be slowly rectified. <br /><br />If I am not mistaken, English is the main language for education with compulsory language of your choice. After 40+ years, most school going students will be proficient in English and the language of their own by now. Hence Y1https://www.blogger.com/profile/18005263623721813319noreply@blogger.com